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Joker: Todd Phillips Talks Batman's Influence on Film (or Lack Thereof)

Despite the fact that the Joker and Batman are mortal enemies locked in an endless struggle over chaos and order, the Caped Crusader had very little influence -- if any at all -- on director Todd Phillips' upcoming comic book film.

"There was probably a little more in earlier cuts, maybe," Phillips told ComicBook.com. "There definitely was a little more everything in the earlier cuts, but it was really about how fun it is that we get to keep one foot in the comic book world and one foot in not and like you said find that balance.

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"It's hard to quantify how we found that balance, but it was, the movie is very liberating because DC, just speaking about comic books, DC as a company and Warner Bros as a studio really just let us do whatever we wanted with it," he continued. "It wasn't like 'oh and you have to mention the Batmobile and you have to...' none of that. It was literally like 'yeah, were going to take this leap on this movie. Just go for it and do it.'"

Not only will the film have little to do with the DC lore in general, but the Joaquin Phoenix-led movie will also not be a part of the DC Extended Universe. So don't expect Ben Affleck or Robert Pattinson to show up as Batman. "The movie just stand on its own. I don't see Arthur Fleck fighting anybody."

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Directed by Todd Phillips, Joker stars Joaquin Phoenix, Robert De Niro, Zazie Beetz, Bill Camp, Frances Conroy, Brett Cullen, Glenn Fleshler, Douglas Hodge, Marc Maron, Josh Pais and Shea Whigham. The film arrives in theaters Oct. 4.

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