Gotham Season 5: Donal Logue Reveals Why Harvey Stays in No Man's Land

Harvey Bullock is sticking with Jim Gordon until the bitter end. Though the two have had their ups and downs over the course of Gotham, Harvey will stand by Jim's side as the city plunges into chaos and becomes "No Man's Land" -- even if it kills him.

During a set visit in October, Gotham star Donal Logue told CBR about Harvey's position in No Man's Land. He offered some insight into his character's decision to stay in Gotham, his personal take on Harvey's mindset and how Harvey and Jim's dynamic will evolve in Season 5. He also teased a special moment between Harvey and David Mazouz's Bruce Wayne and more.

CBR: At the end of Season 4, Harvey Bullock decided to stay behind and help Gotham. How's that working out for him?

Logue: It's chaotic and it's messy, but, you know, Harvey -- probably more than any other person in Gotham -- has nowhere else to go. Psychologically, he has nowhere else to go. All he has is the GCPD. All he has is Jim Gordon. All he has is his identity as a cop. He has a pretty sad personal life, I would say, and so part of it is out of a sense of duty to do good, but a lot of it -- a lot of what drives us as human beings -- is just out of what to do to feel like we're part of something and that's Harvey with Jim and the GCPD.

How does Harvey's dynamic with Jim evolve in Season 5?

It was on this trajectory from the beginning, where you're drawn to this person, your lot is tied to this person and Jim undeniably is such an exceptional human being that Harvey tied himself to that, you know, attached himself to that wagon and he's going to be on it for as long as he can. They've gone back and forth; they've probably felt senses of betrayal on both sides, but the overall codependency is so strong that Harvey is kind of ride or die with Jim Gordon. Jim has other options. Jim has relationships, etc, but there's nothing that matches -- like, Harvey doesn't have that. Harvey's like Marty, Ernest Borgnine. Like, Jim is Marty; he gets his own life. He has a girlfriend, etc, but Harvey is by himself.

How is Harvey adjusting to the reality of No Man's Land?

I think Harvey is more of a pragmatist when it comes to this kind of thing. We have the Green Zone and the Green Zone is safe, but Jim wants to venture out a bit more and do more and help more people and Harvey just wants to maintain what they have and not take extra measures to try and be Superman. He's more pragmatic, and Jim of course leads him into much more dangerous territory... You know, Harvey is always willing to go, and my private joke is that Harvey is hoping that -- Harvey doesn't give a shit if he dies or lives. In a way, it's almost like an act of mercy, so he does these kind of crazy things because he doesn't really necessarily care. That's just my own little pocket secret.

What does Harvey think of this new, up-and-coming vigilante who's trying to exact justice on the city?

You know, it's interesting, because when you look back, it's amazing how little interaction -- Harvey's relationship with Bruce is so different than Jim's, and he's been exposed to him a lot less. I think he thinks the kid is tough and he's impressive, but he has no sense that he can be who he can be. No sense. I think that, in a weird way, Jim is probably much more aware that this is a young protege who's got some exceptional abilities, but I think Harvey just sees him as a kid and he has no sense that this man can become the vigilante that they need to save this anarchic city.

Do have a favorite moment or scene from Season 5?

You know, I have a scene with Bruce that I really love a lot, and it was like we hadn't had that time in how many seasons, so I would say that. Getting to work with David [Mazouz] was really special.

Airing Thursdays at 8 p.m. ET/PT on Fox, Gotham stars Ben McKenzie as James Gordon, Donal Logue as Harvey Bullock, David Mazouz as Bruce Wayne, Robin Lord Taylor as Penguin, Camren Bicondova as Selina Kyle, Erin Richards as Barbara Kean and Sean Pertwee as Alfred Pennyworth. The fifth and final season is scheduled to premiere on January 3.