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Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed #63

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What this really goes to show is how much effort Roy Thomas was willing to go to to have a little joke - and that joke has created characters who are still popular today!!

In late 1969, Roy Thomas and Denny O'Neil got to talking. Each man wrote the respective "big team book" for Marvel and DC, so wouldn't it be neat if they had a wink-wink-nudge-nudge crossover of the two books?

And in late 1969, they did....of sorts.

Roy Thomas (presumably because he had a lot more freedom) was a lot freer with his half, as in Avengers #70 (cover dated November 1969), he had the Avengers face off against the Squadron Sinister - who were essentially evil versions of the DC heroes Superman, Batman, Flash and Green Lantern.

The only problem was that when it came time for Denny O'Neil to reciprocate, presumably because he had a little more editorial intereference (didn't want to piss off Julie Schwartz, naturally), the Justice League half of the "crossover," in #75, was decidedly sparse.

In the issue, the JLA face off against evil counterparts of the Justice League themselves. Evil Batman, evil Hawkman, etc. And each of the evil JLAers was SUPPOSED to represent an Avenger.

To whit, evil Batman throws a garbage can lid at Batman - because he's representing Captain America.

Evil Hawkman mentions how he is a "Man of Iron" (or maybe he actually said "I am an Iron Man," I don't have the issue in front of me at the moment). In any event, barely anyone noticed it.

A little more than a year later, though, Thomas, who must have liked the gag, tried it AGAIN - this time with the NEW Justice League of America writer, Mike Friedrich.

This time, it was in books cover-dated February 1971, and the Avengers (once again), in #85, featured a version of the Justice League - this time, instead of the Squadron Sinister, Thomas introduced their heroic counterparts, the Squadron Supreme.

Likewise, the Justice League, in #87, found themselves meeting the Heroes of Angor, representations of Thor, Quicksilver, Yellowjacket and Scarlet Witch, respectively

(here is a pic of the group, courtesy of wikipedia):

The Squadron Supreme (AND Sinister) went on to become prominent members of the Marvel Universe (and Keith Giffen and JM DeMatteis even managed to bring two of the Angor characters, Blue Jay and Silver Sorceress, into the fold), so the crossovers worked THAT way, at least!!

Well, that's it for this week, thanks for stopping by!

Feel free to drop off any urban legends you'd like to see featured!!

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