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Creators weigh in on 2013 and 2014 (Part 7)

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Our annual “Looking Forward, Looking Back” feature continues, as we ask various comics folks what they liked in 2013, what they’re looking forward to in 2014 and what projects they have planned for the coming year. In, this final round, we hear from Vito Delsante, Jacq Cohen, Mark Sable, Dean Haspiel, Joshua Williamson, Jordie Bellaire, Paul Allor, Adam P. Knave, Tim Gibson, Bryan Q. Miller, Nathan Edmondson, Ann Nocenti, Jason Latour, Paul Tobin, Ming Doyle, Jeff Parker, Francesco Francavilla and Gabriel Hardman.

And if you missed them, be sure to check out Part 1Part 2Part 3Part 4Part 5 and Part 6 where we heard from Jimmy Palmiotti, Tim Seeley, Chris Roberson, Kurt Busiek, Faith Erin Hicks, Tyler Kirkham, G. Willow Wilson and many more.


Gabriel Hardman

Kinski, Station to Station
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What was your favorite comic of 2013?

I’m a big fan of Garth Ennis’ Battlefields from Dynamite. These are generally dark, tough war stories but they’re on a human scale which I very much appreciate. It’s not a black and white world of heroes and villains, it’s about the people in painfully difficult circumstances viewed through an unsentimental lens. What can I say? That’s the kind of stuff I like! My favorite arc of the current series was The Fall and Rise of Anna Kharkova with art by Russ Braun.

I also have to mention Cameron Stewart’s Sin Titulo collected by Dark Horse and Joe Kubert Presents from DC Comics.

Comic-wise, what are you most excited about for 2014?

Comic-wise, what are you most excited about for 2014? (It could be a new comic coming out, something in the digital space, a convention or whatever you can think of) — something you aren’t personally involved in.

I can’t wait for Charles Burns’ Sugar Skull published by Pantheon Books, the follow-up to X’ed Out and The Hive. I loved Burns’ Black Hole which I bought in (very infrequent) issues and I’ve been thrilled with his work on this series of OGNs. There are few treats better than seeing the bizarre worlds he creates.

What personal project are you working on for 2014 that you’re especially pumped about?

I’ll be finishing Kinski, the digital first series that I write and draw which is available from Monkeybrain through comiXology. It’s a quirky crime story about a guy who believes he’s doing the right thing when he steals a cute puppy but must deal with the escalating complications of his crime. The first three issues are available here. (Hardman provided ROBOT 6 with preview pages from Kinski #4).

I also look forward to continuing Station to Station at Dark Horse. It’s a modern day sci-fi story about scientists grappling with a god-like, mind controlling interdimensional creature which started as a serial in Dark Horse Presents. I co-write it with my frequent collaborator (and wife) Corinna Bechko and well as providing the art.





Vito Delsante

Stray, World War Mob
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What was your favorite comic of 2013?

Too many. Dean Trippe’s Something Terrible and Waid/Samnee and Co.’s Daredevil were the must-reads of the year. Velvet and Lazarus were two solid debuts, and Hawkeye, The Fox and Archer & Armstrong were solid monthly reads too. Battling Boy was … it was a fun read, but it felt incomplete. I’ll say this much for it: I wanted more when it was over.

Comic-wise, what are you most excited about for 2014?

Daredevil relaunch (which is probably obvious after my last answer). It’ll be interesting to see the character in California. And whatever Marvel does with Miracle/Marvelman. I’ll be first in line.

What personal project are you working on for 2014 that you’re especially pumped about?

The new year will see two creator-owned series by me: World War Mob (with Giancarlo Caracuzzo on art) and, in the summer, thanks to 332 generous people, we will finally see Stray (with Sean Izaakse, Ross A. Campbell and Simon Gough on art duties). January will also see the return of my webcomic with David Bednarski, Prisoner of None, and we’re going to slow build it like last time with character intros and then the next chapter. That seemed to go over well with the readers. More things are in the works, and those are exciting too, but I’m still working on those.




Jacq Cohen

Publicist, Fantagraphics
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What was your favorite comic of 2013?

My two favorite comics this year (that were not published by Fantagraphics) were Grump Toast by Center for Cartoon Studies graduate Ben Horak, and a webcomic on Study Group by Seattle cartoonist Tom Van Duesen, Eat Eat Eat. Both of these comics are alternative cartoonists’ answer to autobio memoir. Gritty and dark, Horak manages to be upbeat and self-depricating at the same time. Evoking horror rather than pity, Grump Toast examines the funny side of depression. Eat Eat Eat uses gross satire to make a commentary on American culture. From dating, to obesity, to complete ignorance, Van Duesen delivers a character easy to hate, but from which it’s hard to look away. One of the most striking evolution of illustrative style that I’ve seen in a long time, Eat Eat Eat starts a with a very scratching thin line and grows to a lovely heavy dark crosshatching. Reading this comic is like watching an artist realize his talent. Plus, it’ll make the reader really rethink picking up the next greasy snack.

Comic-wise, what are you most excited about for 2014?

2014 has a lot of exciting things going on. Recently Zack Soto and François Vigneault announced a new small press comics fest in Portland, Oregon,called Linework NW. The organizers state that the “goal is to focus attention on the creators who continue to inject new energy and vitality into these venerable mediums that share so much in common, whether their work is to be found in comic books, original art, graphic novels, prints, or other forms.” This seems really great to me. There are a bunch of new festivals popping up around the country that celebrate small press. The more frequent like-minded people can gather and together and sell their hand-made books directly to interested fans, the better.

What personal project are you working on for 2014 that you’re especially pumped about?

This past year I’ve helped a few of my independent cartoonist pals by creating detailed publicity plans for their self-published comics. One of the many hard parts about producing and distributing self-made comics is knowing the whos, whats, whens, and wheres of comics publicity. Some of the greatest alternative comics get overlooked due to lack of promotion. In 2014, I look foreword to sitting down with several more of my friends and helping them figure out the best way to spread the word about their personal projects.


Mark Sable

Dracula: Son of the Dragon
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What was your favorite comic of 2013?

This is tough … there was a lot of great work this year. BKV and Fiona Staples Saga may be everyone’s favorite but still stands out.  So does Jai Nitz and Greg Small’s superheroic noir Dream Thief and Kieron Gillen and Canaan Whiate’s Uber, which is one of the most interesting war comics I’ve read in a while and really shows off Kieron’s range. Under the radar, Alejandro Bruzzese‘s minicomics like Proxy, Leave This Bright World and THRST showcase a rising star’s incredibly unique voice, and the Kickstarter anthology Bad Karma by Alex Grecian, Jeremy Haun, B. Clay Moore and Seth Peck was chock full of comics goodness.

But if I had to pick one book, it would be Ryan Browne’s God Hates Astronauts. I guess nominally it’s a superhero book, but really that was just an excuse for Ryan to write, draw, color and letter what is literally the funniest comic I’ve ever read.  It started out as a Kickstarter phenomenon and now looks to be one of Image’s “next big things.”

Comic-wise, what are you most excited about for 2014?

I’m intrigued by what Chuck BB, Daniel Krall, Eric Canete and others are creating for Ivan Brandon’s OFFSET COMICS imprint.

And I’m begrudgingly excited to see Paul Azaceta’s work on Outcast with Robert Kirkman. I only say “begrudgingly” because I’ve been lucky to have worked on multiple books with Paul, and I’ll have to wait a while before I get to do so again because this is Paul’s first ongoing.  But Paul is a transcendent talent and I think Outcast is going to take him to the next level in terms of a mainstream audience appreciating his work.

What personal project are you working on for 2014 that you’re especially pumped about?

I’ve got a book coming out from Image that I can’t speak about yet, and my fingers are crossed for Howard Gordon and Ben Queen’s TV adaptation of my BOOM! Studios book Unthinkable for Fox.  I’m looking forward to continuing to teach for The School of Visual Arts MFA in Visual Narrative program for chair Nathan Fox with my colleague, artist Jim Rugg — it’s the first Master’s program of its kind and we’ve got an incredibly talented group of students.

But I’m most excited about Dracula: Son of the Dragon, the Kickstarter backed book I’m doing with Salgood Sam. It’s a prequel to Bram Stoker’s Dracula and it’s been my passion project that will finally see the light of day in 2014.



Dean Haspiel

The Fox, Fear My Dear
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What was your favorite comic of 2013?

I couldn’t keep it to just one so I have four comix that I equally enjoyed and would like to laud: Hand-Drying in America by Ben Katchor, My Dirty Dumb Eyes by Lisa Hanawalt, TEOTFW by Charles Forsman, and The Rise by David Trustman.

Comic-wise, what are you most excited about for 2014?

I miss Warren Ellis writing monthly comic books, so I’m excited to read his new Moon Knight series with Declan Shalvey and Jordie Bellaire. Plus, Dan Slott and Mike Allred’s new Silver Surfer series and more Daredevil, Hulk and Hawkeye, from Mark Waid, Matt Fraction and their respective collaborators. Image Comics may be the most interesting comic book publisher around but Marvel is bringing back the “pop” they once preached in the late 1960s within their non-team/non-event titles.

What personal project are you working on for 2014 that you’re especially pumped about?

I’m excited to learn what comix readers will think of the next three-issues of The Fox miniseries I’m doing for Archie/Red Circle in contrast to my personal graphic novel, Fear, My Dear: A Billy Dogma Experience, published by Z2 Comics (due April 2014).




Joshua Williamson

Captain MidnightGhostedPredator
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What was your favorite comic of 2013?

2013 was a great year for comics. Pretty Deadly, Revival, Fatale, Uncanny Avengers, Black Science, Velvet, Superior Spider-Man, Daredevil, Locke and Key, Hawkeye, Saga, Chew, Hellboy in Hell, Private Eye, Fury, Wonder Woman, The Wake, All New X-Men … it can go on and on. So many awesome comics that it’s nearly impossible but two comics really stuck with me. Sex Criminals is a lot of great comics fun, and it uses the comics medium in different ways than what we’ve normally seen. One of the first Grant Morrison comics I ever read when I was an impressionable youth was Kill Your Boyfriend. And I liked the subversive sort of sex and crime combo. And Sex Criminals reminds me of the best parts of that.

But then there was East of West. Cleary my favorite comics of 2013. Something about it has just gotten under my skin as a reader and a writer. I look at the issues over and over again. Hickman and Dragotta have a created an amazing series that might seem a bit on the crazy side, but is an awesome tragic story of love … and death.

Comic-wise, what are you most excited about for 2014?

Right now it’s the Image Expo in January, but otherwise… and I’m sure this is an answer that you’re going to get a lot…  Easily I want to see more creator owned work from my peers. Books that don’t ft the norm. That challenge the medium and make the rest of us want to do better. That’s always my favorite kind of comic. The one that I read and it unlocks the desire and motivation to make more comics.

What personal project are you working on for 2014 that you’re especially pumped about?

Oh that is a tough one. So much. More Captain Midnight, Ghosted, Predator, along few other new creator-owned series. This year I’ll be releasing more creator-owned books then I’ve ever done. It’ll seem like one for every season. But there is one that is way too early to talk about that’ll launch in the summer. But it’s going to be a doozy. Easily my most difficult project yet. Can’t wait to start sharing it with people. 2013 was a great year for me, and so of course 2014 looks terrifying but also extremely exciting.



Jordie Bellaire

Moon KnightZeroPretty Deadly, Nowhere Men
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What was your favorite comic of 2013?

It’s hard to choose but the first few that come to my mind are Fatale, Young Avengers and Locke & Key.

Comic-wise, what are you most excited about for 2014?

Oh, man! Ghost Rider with Tradd Moore is a huge deal to me. I’m over the moon about it. Black Widow with Phil Noto and Nathan. Southern Bastards with Jason Latour and Jason Aaron.

What personal project are you working on for 2014 that you’re especially pumped about?

Moon Knight! Zero! Pretty Deadly!



Paul Allor

Past the Last Mountain, GI Joe, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
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What was your favorite comic of 2013?

Boy, I can’t really think of an immediate standout, because so many comics are operating at such a high level right now. But as I thought about my (many) options, my brain kept coming back to Jeff Stokely and Si Spurrier’s Six-Gun Gorilla. Granted, I’m a pretty easy mark for a sci-fi/Western mashup starring a gorilla. But still. It was a fiercely inventive story with a meta-commentary on storytelling itself, that could have easily gone so, so wrong but never did. And Stokely’s art managed to be incredibly dynamic and exciting, while always providing crystal-clear storytelling to a very complex story.

Comic-wise, what are you most excited about for 2014?

There are so many things to be excited about in comics right now. But I think that what I’m always most excited for are the comics that I don’t see coming; the stories that blindside me with their brilliance and immediacy.

What personal project are you working on for 2014 that you’re especially pumped about?

2014 is the first year that I’m going to have comics coming out pretty steadily, starting with new GI Joe and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles projects in January. But later in the year, I’m launching a new book with Orc Girl artist Thomas Boatwright, called Past the Last Mountain. We’re putting it out through the awesome Th3rd World Studios, and there will be a preview of it in their Free Comic Book Day book.

It’s basically a geopolitical fantasy, set in modern times and starring a dragon, faun and troll on the run. The first script is, I think, one of the best things I’ve ever written. I’m incredibly proud of this book, and Thomas is going to absolutely rock it. I’m excited.



Adam P. Knave

Amelia Cole, Dong Patrol
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What was your favorite comic of 2013?

Oh, lord. 2013 was such an amazing year for comics! There are so many things ot choose from! Bandette, Edison Rex, High Crimes, The Secret History of D.B. Cooper, Saga … ack! This question has been keeping me up at night, I tell you. But I think the book I had the most fun with this year is an old standby. Savage Dragon. Larsen is just killing it this year, taking the book places no one thought he would, or possibly could. I always look forward to a new issue and am honestly just excited to dig in. Been a fan for years but this year Larsen made me an even bigger fan.

Comic-wise, what are you most excited about for 2014?

Right now I’m excited to see where digital continues to go, in how it pushes the medium forward, sideways and every other way possible. There is still tons of untapped potential out there and I think we’re gonna see even more of it get explored as we go. My most “excited for” is that thing on the horizon I can’t quite see yet – that I won’t expect, and that just leaps out at me and screams “Look at ME!” in the right way. I love that feeling, and this year I think it will come digitally.

What personal project are you working on for 2014 that you’re especially pumped about?

I have a webcomic starting in the first quarter of 2014, with Chris Peterson, called Dong Patrol. On the one hand it’s a funny thing about some superheroes who are, mostly, kinda uhhh adult-oriented. But really it is a sex-positive, gender-positive comic about acceptance. And big superhero fights. Chris and I are just making each other laugh and trying to one-up each other with the fun of it all. It’s not raunchy, mind, just silly fun. while also being a perfectly good super hero type comic. Best of all — it’ll be free.


Tim Gibson

Moth City
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What was your favorite comic of 2013?

Sit Titulo by Cameron Stewart, published online and by Dark Horse. You keep thinking about it afterwards, which I think is when you know something has really intrigued you.

Comic-wise, what are you most excited about for 2014?

No one thing, but I’m looking forward to discovering more great self-contained and creator-owned graphic novels like we have had in 2013.

What personal project are you working on for 2014 that you’re especially pumped about?

I’m working on an amazing animation project called The Berry Boys which tells the personal stories of six real New Zealand soldiers in WWI. I’ll be writing, illustrating and animating the sequences – which is a heck of a lot of work, but the material is fantastic.



Bryan Q. Miller

Smallville, Earthward, Space Mountain
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What was your favorite comic of 2013?

Saga continues to amaze, as always (it’s kind of gross that’s it’s consistently as good as it is). I know it’s older than 2013, but I stumbled onto Mystery Society and absolutely love it. Trillium, for sure, and The Wake. The N-Zone Captain America adventure over on the Marvel side of the aisle that wrapped this year was a big favorite of mine, and I’m a huge continuing fan of FF.

Comic-wise, what are you most excited about for 2014?

Another year of new series and new Kickstarters. I really, REALLY love reading NEW stuff. Current ongoings are what current ongoings are (and always will be), but there’s something special about reading and meeting new voices and visuals that I find very exciting.

What personal project are you working on for 2014 that you’re especially pumped about?

As 2013 ends, my Kickstarter backers are finally beginning to receive their copies of Earthward (which I’ll soon be submitting to digital platforms for sale!), and May will see the release of my (wholly-unrelated) next all-ages space adventure graphic novel, Space Mountain, through Disney Publishing. Can’t wait for folks to get a look at both of those. I also just co-wrote my second episode of the CW’s Arrow, which will air in the latter half of season two, and season two of Syfy’s Defiance (where I’ve been spending my days) premieres in June. Oh, and there’s still new chapters of Smallville out digitally every week!


Nathan Edmondson

Black Widow, Punisher, The Activity
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What was your favorite comic of 2013?

Strange Attractors by Charles Soule and Greg Scott was really something.

Comic-wise, what are you most excited about for 2014?

Tough question.  It’s going to be a big year, mostly for reasons still under wraps.  Those announcements some other titles wrap up early in the year. I’m looking forward to getting out and signing Black Widow and Punisher in January and February.

What personal project are you working on for 2014 that you’re especially pumped about?

The two I mentioned above for certain. I have … a number of other books to roll out in 2014, and I’m thrilled for each for different reasons.  Some limited stories … and two very big ones.




Ann Nocenti

Catwoman
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This year I enjoyed Michel Fiffe’s sly and wonderful COPRA issues. He always finds un unexpected angle from which to tell his tales.

And it’s not out yet, but I was fascinated by some early PDFs of Adam McGovern and Paolo Leandri’s Nightworld, a work which seemed like a lost child of Kirby and Ditko, albiet a sparkly, twisty, and curious child.

And I just bought Farel Dalrymple’s Delusional, which I am excited to read next. I’ve been a fan of his work since Pop Gun War.

And I got my hands on the first chapter of Sara Ryan and Carla Speed McNiel’s Bad Houses, loved it, so look forward to reading the rest. I was struck by how their story, which opens at an estate sale with price tags on everything, gave me the sense of how we displace the power of real emotions and imbue ordinary objects with that power

For my own work, I’m sad that Katana is over, but I hope people take notice of Alex Sanchez’s delicate and special work. He is absolutely someone to watch. I was just building up steam by Katana 10 when the book was cancelled, and have more Machine Gun Shun, Coil, Swagger, Mona Shard and Junko stories to tell (that I imagine will never be told)

But I will continue to tell Catwoman stories, and our team of Rafa Sandoval, Jordi Tarragona, Sonia Oback and the editors have been amazing. And I enjoyed setting Catwoman in John Layman’s Gothopia world, and now she’s off on a Race of Outlaws. And it was a hoot to give Selina Kyle an ugly, nasty cat that she despised, and have that ugly cat prefer a certain villianess to her anyway.

I’ve been traveling with my Disarming Falcons short documentary, and will continue to head out to film festivals to share that film in 2014. I’m casting about for ideas on a new documentary film, and working on a prose novel.


Jason Latour

Wolverine and the X-MenSouthern Bastards
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What was your favorite comic of 2013?

It’s pretty impossible to pick a favorite, but Heck by Zander Cannon was a really pleasant surprise. I waded into it  thinking that it was just a fun little comic that played with production and distribution in a way that was fairly unique to the digital medium. But it quickly made it’s way to the top of my reading list. Looking forward to checking out the print collection.

Comic-wise, what are you most excited about for 2014?

It’s nice to see such a breadth of subject matter and approach find it’s footing on the racks. Even superhero comics haven’t felt so strictly by the numbers lately. I’m excited to see where it all leads.

What personal project are you working on for 2014 that you’re especially pumped about?

I’m equally excited to work on Wolverine and the X-Men and Southern Bastards. With the former I get to scratch an itch and the latter I get to finally scratch back.



Paul Tobin

Bandette, Prometheus/Aliens/Predator, Colder
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What was your favorite comic of 2013?

Do I only pick one? Impossible! Depends on my mood. I thought High Crimes from Chris Sebela and Ibrahim Moustafa was fantastic, and then Sex Criminals pushed boundaries, which always interests me. And for straight-up lowbrow humor, you can’t beat Oglaf, a decidedly not-safe-for-work comedy.

Comic-wise, what are you most excited about for 2014?

Continued freedom is what I’m all about for the industry. All three of the projects I mentioned above wouldn’t have been possible in the past, whether from format or subject matter. I think the digital medium is allowing a FAR wider range of comics, and that means that creators are free to do the comics they REALLY want to do, rather than just scrambling to fill a perceived market need. And, honestly, most of my “I LOVED reading this moments” came from reading projects that I didn’t know I’d care for, beforehand, comics that pushed my boundaries. Cursed Pirate Girl is a good example of that. I wasn’t aware how much I was yearning for a sassy pirate girl illustrated in classic style. Now I can’t live without it.

What personal project are you working on for 2014 that you’re especially pumped about?

MORE Bandette! It’s my favorite project. And in addition to my Eisner-Award-Winning Wife Colleen Coover illustrating it, I’m bringing in LOTS of other artists to do the Urchin Stories. The big Prometheus/Aliens/Predator project has been fun for me, because the other writers (Josh Williamson, Chris Roberson, Chris Sebela) are all friends of mine, so it basically feels like we’re college buddies telling drunken stories to each other. I’m also looking forward to announcing the next couple novels that I’ll be releasing. And Juan Ferreyra and I are scheduled to get back to our Colder horror series in 2014, so that’s going to be a gas.


Ming Doyle

Mara, Quantum and Woody
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What was your favorite comic of 2013?

Becky Cloonan’s minicomics have consistently been deliciously good. I’ve also loved keeping up with Noelle Stevenson’s Nimona and Kate Beaton’s family holiday comics.

Comic-wise, what are you most excited about for 2014?

Looking forward to seeing new artists pop up online, and I’m anticipating whichever secret creator owned projects people may be clandestinely working away on!

What personal project are you working on for 2014 that you’re especially pumped about?

A creator owned project of my own that I’m cooking up with my partner Neil Cicierega (who’s new to comics but a fantastically weird storyteller), and an upcoming longer collaboration with a publisher I’ve always wanted to work for and can’t wait to announce!



Jeff Parker

Batman ’66, Aquaman, Kings Watch
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What was your favorite comic of 2013?

I don’t know if it was my favorite, but I really enjoyed The Nao of Brown and feel it didn’t get near the attention it should have. Wait, I see now that actually came out in ’12, but I read it this year.

Maybe I’ll switch my answer then to The Fifth Beatle, though I mainly like it for the art which is a tour de force by Andrew Robinson. He’s incredible.

Comic-wise, what are you most excited about for 2014?

Oni is putting out a book called I Was The Cat, written by Paul Tobin of Colder fame and Ben Dewey of The Tragedy Series. As a studio mate of those guys I’ve seen it and know the impressive whole about to be unleashed on the readers. It is not one to miss.

What personal project are you working on for 2014 that you’re especially pumped about?

It sounds like Oni’s year from my viewpoint, but a book I and artist Sandy Jarrell (Batman ’66) have been working on with them is coming out later in the year. Very proud of this one and hope it ends up in a lot of libraries as well as bookstores. Will be formally announced soon.


Francesco Francavilla

The Black Beetle, Afterlife With Archie
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What was your favorite comic of 2013?

That I’ve read? Definitely Saga: Brian K. Vaughan and Fiona Staples have created something really unique and highly entertaining. No wonder they are raking up praise and awards all over the place. 🙂

Comic-wise, what are you most excited about for 2014?

I am really good friends with tons of creators who have new books (creator owned or story arcs) coming out in the new year. I can’t do a full list because I am sure I am gonna forget someone. Comics are going through a new renaissance and I am glad to see all my friends involved with it.

What personal project are you working on for 2014 that you’re especially pumped about?

Right now I have two projects that are near and dear to my heart: The Black Beetle and Afterlife With Archie. The Black Beetle‘s NO WAY OUT hardcover has received so much praise all around (and the series debut was one of my highlights for 2013) so I am gonna try to follow up that success with NECROLOGUE, a second five-issue mini that starts in January. As you know I am writing/drawing this, so it’s something I am very proud of. And I am super happy to be working on Afterlife With Archie as well with that talented Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa brother. The series debuted in October and with only 2 issues in, it’s already on numerous Best-Of-2013 comics lists. Can’t wait to share with everyone what else is coming to Riverdale: #3 is out next week, #4 will have you saying “WHAAAAAAT???” and #6 will definitely promote this from a zombie book to a full horror book. I might have said too much already.