Welcome to the eighteenth weekly instalment of Lying In The Gutters, a gossip and rumour column serving the comic book industry by having its wicked way with its nephew while he’s on holiday. Now. Remember the rumour rules. Red light means it’s bullshit, Yellow light means I think there’s an element of truth and Green means you get bet your life on it. Or someone’s life. Not mine, I’ve been wrong before. Take everything you read with a sense of scathing abuse – and if you do repost information here elsewhere, please include a warning to that effect. And a link. Man does not live by hits alone – but I could do with the attention.
SIMON FURMAN IN DISGUISE
It may well happen again.
Lying In the Gutters reported last week about the Hasbro decision that Dreamwave and Image must not distribute the US editions of “Transformers” and “GI Joe” abroad. And we reported on the Australian version launching at the end of the year. But the UK version?
I hear that Panini has the rights to reprint the US Dreamwave work in Italy – but not in the rest of Europe. So what about the frankly massive UK “Transformers” fanbase? I hear that Panini are to publish, instead of the Dreamwave “Armada material,” brand new “Transformers” comics based on the new line, written by, you’ve guessed it, Simon Furman, already doing a few stories for Dreamwave. Which means, just as many fans will be shipping the US comic to UK fans, so UK fans may be able to reciprocate.
And for those who really want the US version, Titan Books will be packaging the Dreamwave material into trade paperbacks – under the eye of Titan Books employee Simon Furman.
Neither Titan, Diamond, Simon Furman or Panini UK chose to comment. But with the fanbase leaping on every single word spinning from anyone even vaguely connected to this franchise and linking to it from a thousand message boards, can you blame them? I like links though, so feel free to link to this article…
Which A-list creator has been seen buying cross-dressing and transsexual magazines? Apparently it’s all for research.
Which A-list creator has been accused of turning up for a number meetings with publishers, well, as one exec put it to another after the meeting, “You realize he was totally sloshed, don’t you?”
Which A-list creator has abandoned future signings after it got back to him that fans started gossiping that he exchanged frosty words at one signing with an ex-DC employee during a signing, calling her a “bitch?”
IN BETWEEN DEAD
WHO SHOT NEWSARAMA?
Damn. Who am I going to falsely accuse of stealing my stories now?
Either way, Newsarama’s Mike Doran informs me that a number of Kevin Smith hosted Web sites went down after this hack attack including Newsarama. View Askew is already back up, and Doran tells me that the sites are being worked on as we speak and they will all be back up and running as soon as possible.
That hacker tag in full:
Derek says it’s always good to end a paper with a quote. Says someone else has already said it best so if you can’t top it, steal from them and go out strong. So I picked a guy I thought you’d like. We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic cords of memory will swell when again touched, as they surely will be, by the better angels of our nature.
owned by shazam
ANTONY’S BAG PACKED
All the best, bro. And if there are any editors there who’ve heard all the nice things Warren Ellis has been saying about him, now’s the time to make your move.
publication of the Jim Lee Visionaries “X-Men TPB,” Larsen writes, “I don’t share your enthusiasm for Lee’s work–I just see all the swipes and stiff poses and over-rendering and it does nothing for me. I didn’t buy this book–the original comics were fine for me.”
When asked “But Jim Lee used swipe? I had no idea. From whom?”, Larsen wrote “Sheesh–most everybody–Art Adams, Frank Miller, Mike Golden, Howard Chaykin, Marc Silvestri, John Byrne, Barry Smith– most everybody actually. Y’know–Rob Liefeld delighted in pointing out each and every swipe–and then bitching that Jim never got caught but HE always got pitched shit about stealing stuff. Whatever– guys swipe stuff all the time. I hardly think it’s the end of the world. ”
And talking of Rob, when fans were asking if the new “Youngblood” book would
come out in October and some reporting seeing advance art a while back,
Larsen replied “Just so you know– Rob ALWAYS says his books are done in advance. retailers are wary of Rob’s reputation so Rob likes to reassure them that he’s finished. How many retailers would order large quantities if he said that he’d drawn a couple pages that seemed fun to do and that he’d decide if he’ll draw the rest after he sees how many copies were ordered? Even fewer than actually did, I’d imagine. Much of the art you’ve seen was drawn for some other project that was shelved. I’d be very surprised if Rob was anywhere near done with his first issue–much less his second. Don’t believe everything you hear.”
Update 10/29/02 – Jim Lee asked to comment on the above article. He writes:
“Normally I don’t respond to my critics online for a variety of reasons; the most important being that everyone’s entitled to their opinion and really, for God’s sake, life’s too short. But in this instance, because there is a propensity for people to believe whatever they read (a sentiment ironically echoed by Erik himself) and because I feel my character and reputation have been besmirched and called into question, I have to respond to Erik’s accusations.
“First off, a couple of disclaimers. I have no interest in getting into a ‘flame war’ with an old business partner, and his version of Image history is very different from my own and most likely, every other partner’s recollections. And the truth is that Erik and I never saw eye to eye on many things, and it’s no secret he very much dislikes my work. To each their own. He certainly wouldn’t be the first (get in line!). And in all seriousness, his criticisms are certainly valid (it’s a topic we have discussed civilly and with some amusement in off hours at various public functions), but I don’t think I have ever gone out there claiming I am the world’s greatest artist either. Far from it.
“But to call me out as a ‘swiper’ is ridiculous.
“Yes, am I influenced by the long list of creators he cites? Absolutely. Very much so.
“Will there be images that look similar? I’m sure of it. There are only so many angles and/or ways one can draw the human figure. In the roughly 40 years of superhero art, I figure there have got to be, what, at least 300,000+ images created? To not have similarities would be mathematically improbable. Will I pull a Gary Hart and say–show me proof? No, that would be silly because I’m sure there have been suspect images just from this mathematical probability.
“But do I trace other artists’ work passing their work off as my own?
“How can I convince my critics of this fact? Truth is, I can’t. You look at the work and say–he does or he doesn’t, and it really comes down to what you want to believe in the end. As an aside, I find it doubly ironic in that Erik had fought these same accusations of his own work not too long ago from some neophyte artist who claimed Erik had swiped one of his cover images–an account, which was in my assessment, seemed unlikely. The principle, ‘If you’re going to swipe, swipe from the best,’ certainly showing the improbabilty of Erik’s doing so.
“But I will add in my defense several facts. One, I have worked almost my entire 15 year professional career in an open studio environment. Meaning I draw my pages in plain view so that other artists and office workers can see how I approach drawing a page from layouts to complete pencils. A lightbox does not factor into this process.
“Two, there may be people out there who may believe that all the Image founders worked side by side and that Rob and Erik had seen swiping–nothing could be further from the truth. Erik and Rob both lived hundreds of miles away.
“Third, I give credit where credit is due. In the rare instance where I was looking at a previous artist’s work and intentionally copying it for that purpose alone, I credit it. There is a underwater shot from issue two of my run on the ‘Heroes Reborn Fantastic Four’ with a very awkward looking, large credit ‘after JK’ in the panel borders. In my very early ‘Alpha Flight’ covers, I would even credit the assistant editor who would give me a very rough cover thumbnail for design purposes. And in interviews, I have always listed my inspirations.
“Bottomline — I do not condone plagarism. Plagarism was an issue much discussed back when I was in college, and infractions of the institution’s policy were taken very severely. In fact, on every exam and paper, we had to write a declaration stating we had not plagarized the work we were creating. And if I learned anything in college, it would be on how to do research and to properly credit sources. My graduation thesis attests to this. And while I am now in a different field altogether, I still carry these principles very close to my heart.”
Update 10/30/02 – Erik Larsen also posted to his message board in response to debate about this very article.
“The Image guys all pitched each other a lot of shit at our meetings and if we weren’t all so gosh-darned nice about it and thick-skinned, it could be pretty hurtful. As it is– those meetings are always a lot of fun. Even when we’re ripping each other new assholes there’s a sense that we all really enjoy each others company…there’s a respect there that isolated quotes
pulled out of context don’t get across.”
STAN THE MAN II
Simon Bisley is one of Stan’s regular crew, but I hear Stan will be going after a number of top name writers to join him in a new line of superhero comics.
THE TOP COW SHUFFLE
NO SECONDS FOR BATMAN
WAITING FOR A PLUG
My Dynamic Forces column Waiting For Tommy is currently reporting a rather spectacular comic book styled fashion parade (even if the page breaks are a little askew) and on Wednesday, expect an exclusive war report!
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